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fishpatrolIt seems that I may have offended at least one person in my last entry, so I want to clarify a few things:
1. I don't find it surprising, disrespectful, or inappropriate for fans to feel sad/upset/general negative affect over J&J's respective marriages. The CWRPS fandom is entirely based on the close relationship of Jared and Jensen. Now that something has changed this relationship, of course fans (okay, fine, including myself) feel sad/etc. It's like the Harry/Hermione fans feeling sad over Ron/Hermione becoming canon or the McKay/Sheppard fans feeling frustrated over the McKay/Keller relationship.
The thing with RPS is that there isn't a whole lot of canon to work with (which is kind of nice, because, yay, AUs!) and there aren't always a lot of traits and personality characteristics to work with either. Jared isn't always the happy-go-lucky one, Jensen is sometimes a sweetheart and sometimes a total douche -- heck, sometimes their ages are even flipped. There isn't a single feature that is consistent across fan-depictions of Jared and Jensen, except one thing: there is an expectation that J&J are MFEO. Whether they're actors or astronauts or ass-kicking ninjas, the only constant is that Jared and Jensen are meant-to-be. So, yeah, the whole marriage thing? Does kind of mess with the foundation of the fandom.
What I do find kind of ridiculous are the conspiracy theories and the D&G-must-be-beards-and-this-whole-thing-is-an-elaborate-hoax-because-of-so-and-so-reason. I'm not going to present the photos as evidence that "J&G = tru wuv -- look at their shiny eyes!" or "J&J are totally devastated! Look at the angsty, man-pain gazes they are exchanging!" A picture is worth thousand words, and hey, it's probably worth a thousand interpretations as well. Yes, I did target the tinhatters in my previous post -- but I use the term "tinhatter" to encompass all fans who hold extreme views and bizarre theories (I am to understand that the opinion of "hets" are also not to be believed).
Sorry if the events of J&J's real lives are harshing your squee -- but like any canon facts, they can easily be ignored/altered/assimilated/incorporated into/by fandom. A ship is hard to keep afloat when canon is against you, but I think there's plenty of mileage left in the J2 ship.
Addressing the issue of what we, as fans, know of J&J:
I am of the opinion that what fans know about any celebrity is more likely to be inaccurate than not. Celebrities filter the information that is transmitted to the media, they create stage personae to present to their audience. In addition, fans often do not accept the given information at face value -- there are multitudes of interpretations associated with any action or behaviour. In a fandom like CWRPS, where the actors' characterization changes from writer to writer (and from reader to reader!), the image that we each have of J&J are different from each other and are most certainly different from the real J&J. It may be a true fact that Jared likes Gummi Worms, but it's highly doubtful that Jensen is a soggy-kitten on the inside. At least to me, J&J are, essentially, fictional characters. I have a fuzzy impression of them, that change from context to context. I am probably more interested in their real lives than I should be, but I don't assume I know anything about them as real people.
...and that is all I really have to say on this issue. Feel free to share your thoughts.
2. Also, just to be overly cautious: I don't hate babies (I just don't like them) and I don't hate people who like babies (obvs). I was mostly reacting to all the wedding-squee posts that have whole slews of "OMG, NOW THAT THEY'RE MARRIED, THEY CAN HAVE A BAJILLION BEAUTIFUL BABIES" comments.
3. I am so not firing on all cylinders anymore. I need my sleep. Especially since tomorrow is going to be an RL-heavy day...!
1. I don't find it surprising, disrespectful, or inappropriate for fans to feel sad/upset/general negative affect over J&J's respective marriages. The CWRPS fandom is entirely based on the close relationship of Jared and Jensen. Now that something has changed this relationship, of course fans (okay, fine, including myself) feel sad/etc. It's like the Harry/Hermione fans feeling sad over Ron/Hermione becoming canon or the McKay/Sheppard fans feeling frustrated over the McKay/Keller relationship.
The thing with RPS is that there isn't a whole lot of canon to work with (which is kind of nice, because, yay, AUs!) and there aren't always a lot of traits and personality characteristics to work with either. Jared isn't always the happy-go-lucky one, Jensen is sometimes a sweetheart and sometimes a total douche -- heck, sometimes their ages are even flipped. There isn't a single feature that is consistent across fan-depictions of Jared and Jensen, except one thing: there is an expectation that J&J are MFEO. Whether they're actors or astronauts or ass-kicking ninjas, the only constant is that Jared and Jensen are meant-to-be. So, yeah, the whole marriage thing? Does kind of mess with the foundation of the fandom.
What I do find kind of ridiculous are the conspiracy theories and the D&G-must-be-beards-and-this-whole-thing-is-an-elaborate-hoax-because-of-so-and-so-reason. I'm not going to present the photos as evidence that "J&G = tru wuv -- look at their shiny eyes!" or "J&J are totally devastated! Look at the angsty, man-pain gazes they are exchanging!" A picture is worth thousand words, and hey, it's probably worth a thousand interpretations as well. Yes, I did target the tinhatters in my previous post -- but I use the term "tinhatter" to encompass all fans who hold extreme views and bizarre theories (I am to understand that the opinion of "hets" are also not to be believed).
Sorry if the events of J&J's real lives are harshing your squee -- but like any canon facts, they can easily be ignored/altered/assimilated/incorporated into/by fandom. A ship is hard to keep afloat when canon is against you, but I think there's plenty of mileage left in the J2 ship.
Addressing the issue of what we, as fans, know of J&J:
I am of the opinion that what fans know about any celebrity is more likely to be inaccurate than not. Celebrities filter the information that is transmitted to the media, they create stage personae to present to their audience. In addition, fans often do not accept the given information at face value -- there are multitudes of interpretations associated with any action or behaviour. In a fandom like CWRPS, where the actors' characterization changes from writer to writer (and from reader to reader!), the image that we each have of J&J are different from each other and are most certainly different from the real J&J. It may be a true fact that Jared likes Gummi Worms, but it's highly doubtful that Jensen is a soggy-kitten on the inside. At least to me, J&J are, essentially, fictional characters. I have a fuzzy impression of them, that change from context to context. I am probably more interested in their real lives than I should be, but I don't assume I know anything about them as real people.
...and that is all I really have to say on this issue. Feel free to share your thoughts.
2. Also, just to be overly cautious: I don't hate babies (I just don't like them) and I don't hate people who like babies (obvs). I was mostly reacting to all the wedding-squee posts that have whole slews of "OMG, NOW THAT THEY'RE MARRIED, THEY CAN HAVE A BAJILLION BEAUTIFUL BABIES" comments.
3. I am so not firing on all cylinders anymore. I need my sleep. Especially since tomorrow is going to be an RL-heavy day...!
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Date: 2010-06-06 04:00 pm (UTC)People who know you well would obvs. know what you meant :P
(But then I've known you for seven years, so...XDDDDD)
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Date: 2010-06-08 03:50 am (UTC)(hee, yeah -- out of all the people I know online, I've known you the longest ;))
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Date: 2010-06-08 03:54 am (UTC)those omg pop 'em out! reactions really weird me out
I know, right? Maybe they don't even want babies! (Maybe they're all like me and think that babies are for other people ;)) But hey, since when have fans ever cared about what the celebrities want? ;D